<div>Hi Toni</div>
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<div>We have the same opinion.</div>
<div>For DX stations, with more complex scenarios, N6TV option is just not good.</div>
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<div>And you are correct that in the case of DX stations CR3E, CR2X etc, a lot of times two QSOs are going on at the "same" time.</div>
<div>I also agree that the bug refers to CW and not SSB, and surely not the other way around.</div>
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<div>I never felt this bug because as I said before I don't use paddles.</div>
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<div>73 José Nunes</div>
<div>CT1BOH<br><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Toni Lindén <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oh2ua@oh2u.com" target="_blank">oh2ua@oh2u.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">Hi Jose & Bob!<br><br><br>I also agree that CW and SSB should work the same, but please change<br>the CW logic not SSB logic!<br>
<br>I can clearly see that what Bob's suggesting may be good for QTH where<br>you have low rates and nothing happening on main radio. So it's OK to<br>hit the F1 after working something on 2nd rdio since there's nothing<br>
going on on main radio.<br><br>BUT in DX location there's "always" something going on main radio. So<br>changing the locig as Bob suggest, would spoil the "advantaged" usag<br>of SO2R. Let me clar this out a bit. In TR alike behavior (I know your<br>
a big fan of this Bob ;)) you have QSO going on on eiher main radio or<br>on 2nd radio. But with WT you can have QSO's going on both radios at<br>the same time (and in DX location this actually quite common because<br>
most of the time someone's caling you).<br><br>So I have pileup on radio 1 and mult on radio 2. If I wait untill my<br>pileup's over, I "never" work station on 2nd radio.<br>I have to call the mult on 2nd radio at the same time someone's<br>
calling me on main radio.<br>So I hit SHIFT F4 to call the mult and start typing the call on main radio<br>In this phase I often have time to give the report to main radio so I<br>say call and hit F2 (this would be the first time sending to wrong<br>
band with Bob's logic).<br>The mult comes back to me while I've sent F2 to main radio so I hit<br>SHIFT F2 to send report to 2nd radio and at the same time get the<br>report from main radio and send TU to main radio.<br>
<br>Another scenario if I don't have 2 QSO's at the same.<br>Againg there's pileup on main radio and mult ready on 2nd radio.<br>I end a WSO on main radio sending TU and call mult SHIFT F4<br>There's gyus calling me on main radio but I ignore them and work the<br>
mult since he came back to me, so I send SHIFT F2<br>I copy someone calling me on main radio and get the part of the call<br>or whole call and try to come back to this guy (and again my TX would<br>go to wrong band if using Bob's logic).<br>
<br>I hope you got the idea. I 100% understand what Bob's suggesting, but<br>I'd say that it's not good for high rate QTH. So I prefer using the<br>"*" if I need to sen something else that call and raport to 2nd radio.<br>
<br><br>73 de Toni<br><br><br>From: Jos? Nunes CT1BOH <<a href="mailto:ct1boh@gmail.com" target="_blank">ct1boh@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [WT-support] Advanced SO2R mode on phone doesn't work<br> well right now<br>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>OK<br>To sum up things.<br><br>We all agree that:<br>1. CW and SSB should work he same (there is a difference now)<br>2. The (Shift)/(caps on) that moves focus and the advanced SO2R scenarios<br>
are working properly<br><br>We are discussion now what should happen when a manual transmission<br>occurs (CW paddle or Microphone).<br><br>As a matter of interest let me tell you that I do not use paddles in<br>contests. I don' even take one to Madeira CR3E. I learned long time ago that<br>
paddle slow down the rate and it is an addiction having it on the side. If I<br>need to send manual CW I use ALT K. I never use manual transmission, and<br>only need it in case of QSY request, where specific QSY scenario fits my<br>
desire.<br><br>When Bob says:<br>-"not quite"<br>to the question (Where should any manual transmission go? All the time to<br>the primary radio, and it is up the op to control that with "*", with the<br>
exception that after pressing a message key if you send something more, the<br>output goes to the highlighted secondary radio")<br>and explains his idea by saying:<br>- The output of a manual transmission (sending by paddles or speaking into<br>
the mic.) should go to the *last* radio where a message was sent, which can<br>be either the primary or secondary radio. The star key can be used to<br>override this default behavior.<br><br>I also say not quite<br><br>
In a simple scenario configuration where for instance you send (shift + F10<br>and F10=pse QSY 10?) to send the content of F10 to secondary radio, N6TV<br>proposal of any next transmission should go to the last radio where a<br>
message was sent, seems to be OK<br><br>BUT in a more complex scenario configuration where for instance you send<br>(shift+ F10 and F10=PSE QSY 10? $TR2 $F4) then with N6TV proposal using the<br>paddle after the last message was sent would send CW paddle transmission to<br>
the wrong radio....<br><br>I prefer simple things.<br>In that regard I prefer to control manual (paddle or mic transmission) by<br>pressing * and thus deciding which radio to route manual transmission.<br><br>But as I said in the beginning I don't use paddles I use Atl+k and I like to<br>
use the * to send the TX to the radio I want...<br><br><br>73<br>Jos?<br><br>On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Bob Wilson, N6TV <<a href="mailto:n6tv@arrl.net" target="_blank">n6tv@arrl.net</a>> wrote:<br><br>> 2010/10/20 Jos? Nunes CT1BOH <<a href="mailto:ct1boh@gmail.com" target="_blank">ct1boh@gmail.com</a>><br>
><br>>> The point now is, by definition<br>>> Where should any manual transmission go?<br>>> All the time to the primary radio, and it is up the op to control that<br>>> with "*"<br>
>><br>
><br>> No<br>><br>><br>>> All the time to the primary radio, and it is up the op to control that<br>>> with "*", with the exception that after pressing a messaeg key if you send<br>>> something more, the output goes to the highlighted secondary radio<br>
>><br>><br>> Not quite.<br>><br>> The output of a manual transmission (sending by paddles or speaking into<br>> the mic.) should go to the *last* radio where a message was sent, which<br>> can be either the primary or secondary radio. The star key can be used to<br>
> override this default behavior. This works OK on CW right now, but it<br>> doesn't work the same on phone. It looks like we agree that this is a bug<br>> (on phone).<br>><br>> One of the things that make's Win-Test's Advanced SO2R feature difficult to<br>
> use is that there is no way to immediately move the paddles or mic. to the<br>> "left" or "right" rig except to hit star, which unfortunately swaps the<br>> windows. Suddenly the right-hand window controls left-hand radio, the<br>
> left-hand window controls the right-hand radio, and the brain starts to get<br>> really confused.<br>><br>> As I have proposed before, two symmetrical logging areas (left rig and<br>> right rig), similar to N1MM, would make Win-Test a lot easier for SO2R<br>
> operating, I believe.<br>><br>> See<br>><br>> <a href="http://www.kkn.net/~n6tv/ProposedNewSO2RMainLoggingWindow.PNG" target="_blank">http://www.kkn.net/~n6tv/ProposedNewSO2RMainLoggingWindow.PNG</a><br>
><br>
> for one mock-up.<br>><br>> 73,<br>> Bob, N6TV<br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Support mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:Support@win-test.com" target="_blank">Support@win-test.com</a><br>
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