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<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>Ingo,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel><FONT face="Times New Roman">0014128234: H-TX:
FT1 (set TX focus to R1)<BR>0014129312: H-TX: FR1
(set RX focus to R1) <-- 1.078 ms late<BR>0014129312: H-TX:
FR2 (set RX focus to R2)<BR>0014131468: H-TX: FR1
(set RX focus to R1)</FONT><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>I can repeat it. It's a bug and I have sent a note to
Win-Test programmers. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>Meanwhile guys find a time to look at it please use
alternative control:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>At SO2R tab in Router set:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>- Classic auto control</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>- TX Focus = DTR | COM x</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>- RX Focus = Follow TX focus | COM x</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>- Stereo headphones = RTS | COM x</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>At Win-Test Configure Interfaces set:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>- COM x = Other interface </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>- COM x = Configure </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel> DTR = Active Radio</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel> RTS = Stereo RX Audio</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel><FONT face=Corbel></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel><FONT face=Corbel></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel><FONT face="Times New Roman">PTT HANDLING WITH
WINKEY</FONT><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>PTT drops are related to how WK2 chip works.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>When last character from its buffer is sent, WK2 do
following delay between last falling edge of CW element against falling
edge of PTT:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel><FONT face=Corbel>- If Tail is set to
constant:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>1 dot + defined constant tail delay</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>- If Tail is proportional (Hang time):</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>1 dot +10ms, regardless if Hang time is set for
1.00, 1.33, 1.66 or 2.00 wordspace</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>However, paddle generated CW has different timing:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>- If Tail is set to constant:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>3 dots + defined constant tail delay</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>- If Tail is proportional (Hang time):</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>1.00 7 dots</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>1.33 8 dots</DIV>
<DIV>1.66 9 dots</DIV>
<DIV>2.00 10 dots</DIV>
<DIV></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Corbel size=3><SPAN
class=260011616-12012010></SPAN></FONT> </DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel size=3><SPAN class=260011616-12012010>This behavior
cannot be altered from logger or Router, it is hard coded in WK2. Please note,
WK1 chip (used in CK, MK, MKII) has different timing, delay for computer sent CW
is larger than character space and does not cause this problem.
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel size=3><SPAN
class=260011616-12012010></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel size=3><SPAN class=260011616-12012010>Problem is not
visible with N1MM because logger keeps buffer filled and last character
from buffer is sent only at the end of macro.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel size=3><SPAN class=260011616-12012010>To overcome this
problem with Win-Test, please set the PTT Tail to constant time in
Router.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>Hope this helps</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel>73 Jozef OM7ZZ</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel> </DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=sm5ajv@qrq.se href="mailto:sm5ajv@qrq.se">sm5ajv@qrq.se</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=support@microham.com
href="mailto:support@microham.com">support@microham.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 13 May, 2010 14:08</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [Fwd: Re: [WT-support] microHam micro2R with
WT]</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Corbel></FONT><FONT face=Corbel></FONT><FONT
face=Corbel></FONT><FONT face=Corbel></FONT><FONT face=Corbel></FONT><FONT
face=Corbel></FONT><FONT face=Corbel></FONT><FONT face=Corbel></FONT><FONT
face=Corbel></FONT><BR></DIV>Jozef,<BR>I still have problems getting micro2R and
WinTest play together.<BR><BR>Below is my message posted to the WinTest-Support
group.<BR><BR>Can you look at the microHam dumps to see if you can see<BR>what's
going wrong?<BR><BR><BR>73<BR>Ingo SM5AJV /
SE5E<BR><BR><BR><BR>---------------------------------------- Original Message
----------------------------------------<BR>Subject: Re: [WT-support] microHam
micro2R with WT<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:sm5ajv@qrq.se">sm5ajv@qrq.se</A><BR>Date: Thu,
May 13, 2010 12:53<BR>To: <A
href="mailto:support@win-test.com">support@win-test.com</A><BR>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Thanks
for your advices.<BR><BR>FIRST<BR>N6TV wrote:<BR>> 1-2 second delays are a
common problem when using Win-Test with the microHAM<BR>> control protocol,
even with the older MK2R+<BR><BR>If this is a known issue, I would really like
it to be solved.<BR>Having this delay makes SO2R almost useless. I didn't see
any bug report of<BR>this. So please SW-guys. Look into this!<BR><BR>MY
FINDINGS<BR>I didn't get it working properly and I still have a delay of 1
seconds<BR>before the CW goes out. It looks like the CW part is going out
when<BR>the RX focus is changing. The RX Focus is changing 1 seconds<BR>after TX
focus is changed. I don't see any reason of this delay.<BR>See the dumps
below.<BR><BR><BR>micro2R:<BR>0014128234: H-TX: FT1 (set TX
focus to R1)<BR>0014129312: H-TX: FR1 (set RX focus to R1)
<-- 1.078 ms late<BR>0014129312: H-TX: FR2 (set RX focus to
R2)<BR>0014131468: H-TX: FR1 (set RX focus to
R1)<BR><BR><BR><BR>WinKey:<BR>0014129312: H-TX: 53
S <-- CW STARTS at the same time as FR1 is sent, see
above<BR>0014129328: H-RX: C4 [status:
WAIT=0, KEYDOWN=0, BUSY=1, BREAKIN=0, XOFF=0]<BR>0014129546: H-RX:
53 S<BR>0014129546: H-TX:
45 E <-- Messge is sent from WT character by
character<BR>0014129687: H-RX: 45
E<BR>0014129687: H-TX: 35 5<BR>0014130109:
H-RX: 35 5<BR>0014130109: H-TX:
45 E<BR>0014130250: H-RX:
45 E<BR>0014130250: H-TX: 20<BR>0014130453:
H-RX: 20<BR>0014130453: H-TX: 54
T<BR>0014130468: H-RX: C0 [status: WAIT=0,
KEYDOWN=0, BUSY=0, BREAKIN=0, XOFF=0]<BR>0014130484: H-RX:
C4 [status: WAIT=0, KEYDOWN=0, BUSY=1, BREAKIN=0,
XOFF=0]<BR>0014130625: H-RX: 54
T<BR>0014130640: H-TX: 45 E<BR>0014130765:
H-RX: 45 E<BR>0014130765: H-TX:
53 S<BR>0014131046: H-RX:
53 S<BR>0014131046: H-TX:
54 T<BR>0014131250: H-RX:
54 T<BR>0014131250: H-TX: 20<BR>0014131468:
H-RX: 20<BR>0014131484: H-TX: (postponed) 1E
[Cancel Buffered Speed Change]<BR>0014131484: H-RX:
C0 [status: WAIT=0, KEYDOWN=0, BUSY=0, BREAKIN=0,
XOFF=0]<BR>0014131500: H-TX: postponed data
sent<BR><BR><BR><BR>COMPARISION WITH N1MM<BR>I have compared this behaviour with
N1MM. In N1MM there is no delay<BR>before the CW gose out. So I think there is
something wrong with WT.<BR><BR>PTT HANDLING WITH WINKEY<BR>Another difference,
which I have pointed out earlier when dealing<BR>with a WinKey USB, is that
WinTest sends character by character<BR>to the WinKey chip. You can see this in
the WK dump below.<BR>N1MM sends a chunk of characters. This may be related to
the problem<BR>that the PTT-line drops between words if you don't put in a very
long<BR>PTT Tail. I think it's better to make the WK:<BR><BR>[PTT ON], [send all
characters in the message] [PTT OFF]<BR><BR>PTT delay should only be applied to
the PTT ON in the beginning and<BR>PTT TAIL should only be applied to the PTT
OFF at the end of the<BR>transmission. This is for "canned"
messages.<BR>Normally you want to have PTT DELAY set to get all relays<BR>change
over before you start sending. The PTT TAIL DELAY<BR>should be rather small for
canned messages. Or only used when<BR>you use the PADDLE<BR><BR><BR>73<BR>Ingo
SM5AJV / SE5E<BR><BR><BR>> 1-2 second delays are a common problem when using
Win-Test with the microHAM<BR>> control protocol, even with the older
MK2R+.<BR>><BR>> Make sure you don't have PTT lead/tail delays set to the
default values.<BR>> Use the *minimum* numbers (e.g. 0.0 if possible).
You have to set this in<BR>> both the Router program and in the Win-Test
Winkey Configuration screen<BR>> (shortcut: WKSETUP
[Enter]).<BR>><BR>> Sometimes powering everything off and on in just the
right sequence will<BR>> correct the problem,
e.g.:<BR>><BR>> 1. Power on
computer<BR>> 2. Wait for Router program to start (yellow
X)<BR>> 3. Power on microHAM box<BR>>
4. Wait for Router to detect microHAM (Green check
mark)<BR>> 5. Turn on radios<BR>> 6.
Wait for microHAM Ports tab to display rig freq.<BR>> 7.
Start Win-Test<BR>> 8. Issue two or three messages to see
if thing speed up (first few<BR>> messages may be
delayed)<BR>><BR>> If that doesn't help, verify that you are using the
correct COM port<BR>> settings in Win-Test Interface Configuration,
e.g.:<BR>><BR>> - microHAM control port:
38400,N,8,1<BR>> - WinKey port: 1200,N,8,2
Handshake/Handshake<BR>> - Elecraft port: 4800,N,8,1
Always OFF/Always OFF<BR>> - Yaesu port: 4800,N,8,2
Always OFF/Always OFF<BR>><BR>> For radios, press the "Use xxx defaults"
button on the Win-Test COM port<BR>> setup screen. Make sure both
Win-Test and the microHAM box are talking to<BR>> the rig with the same speed
settings.<BR>><BR>> 73,<BR>> Bob, N6TV<BR>><BR>> On Wed, May 12,
2010 at 1:58 AM, <<A href="mailto:sm5ajv@qrq.se">sm5ajv@qrq.se</A>>
wrote:<BR>><BR>>> I am trying to get the new microHam micro2R (SO2R)
box to work with WT<BR>>> and have run into some
problems.<BR>>><BR>>> When starting CQ by pushing F1 in WT it takes
about 1 second<BR>>> before the actual CW output is started. Has anyone
any hint<BR>>> on how to configure this new device with WT. I am
using<BR>>> the MK2R setup for the Control Port.<BR>>><BR>>>
Pushing the test command for F1 on the router starts CW
immediately.<BR>>><BR>>> Any advices are most
welcome!<BR>>><BR>>> 73<BR>>> Ingo SM5AJV /
SE5E<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
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