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<DIV><SPAN class=093131521-10042008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Thanks
Jose. Two problems here. I can't enable latch mode (and I did want it, but for
other reasons) - it's greyed out - and I'm not sure it needs to be - think it
should be supported on the LPT interfaces and not just with EZMASTER / MK2R+,
but I don't think latch mode won't fix this particular problem on SSB because it
needs to interupt a CQ on the other radio. I probably just need to make a
shorter CQ recording for the alternating CQ.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=093131521-10042008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Andy</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
support-bounces@win-test.com [mailto:support-bounces@win-test.com] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>José Nunes CT1BOH<BR><B>Sent:</B> 09 April 2008
08:50<BR><B>To:</B> support@win-test.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Bulk] Re:
[WT-support] [Bulk] Re: Feedback from WPX SSB<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>2008/4/9 Andy Cook, G4PIQ <<A
href="mailto:g4piq@btinternet.com">g4piq@btinternet.com</A>>:<BR>
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks to Braco and Jose for their
suggestions. It looks like some of this may be a little slicker with
EZMASTER or MK2R+ where PTT from the footswitch is sensed by the
program.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial>Jose - yes - I can see that the CQ
will stop as soon as you send a message in CW, or a DVP message on SSB. Of
course, when you reply to a station on SSB you go for the footswitch, not a
DVP message so it may a good way of doing things on CW, but it's much less
efficient on SSB! I guess I can configure an empty DVP memory and press that
before answering the station though - a bit clunky
though.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>Are you using the latch mode?</DIV>
<DIV>The latch mode is for this, so that WT knows that when you start using
the microphone</DIV>
<DIV>I haven't done a SSB SOAB Contest in a long while but the Latch mode is
there for this.</DIV>
<DIV>José CT1BOH</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT><BR><FONT
size=2><SPAN><FONT face=Arial>As to handling switching the callsign field
between radio 1 and radio 2 - I think I'll just have to get used to it being
different. Braco suggested using the footswitch which is a good idea, but I
already have two footswitches - one for PTT and one for switching Rx antenna
so I'm not sure I want a third! I need another
leg!</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN>73,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN>Andy, G4PIQ</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN></SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT><BR><FONT
size=2>-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A href="mailto:support-bounces@win-test.com"
target=_blank>support-bounces@win-test.com</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:support-bounces@win-test.com"
target=_blank>support-bounces@win-test.com</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>José
Nunes CT1BOH<BR><B>Sent:</B> 09 April 2008 07:30
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target=_blank>support@win-test.com</A><BR></DIV><B>Subject:</B> [Bulk] Re:
[WT-support] Feedback from WPX SSB<BR><BR></FONT></DIV></FONT>
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<DIV>Hi Andy</DIV>
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<DIV>A couple of answers:<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>2008/4/8 Andy Cook, G4PIQ <<A
href="mailto:g4piq@btinternet.com"
target=_blank>g4piq@btinternet.com</A>>:<BR>
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2>I ran my second serious contest with
Win-Test as M6T SOAB during WPX SSB. I had SO2R better configured this
time but I still ran across a few problems. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2>1. There were occasions where
pressing any of the DVP keys would put the active radio into transmit,
but would connect the microphone rather than play the DVP message. I
think this was usually after aborting a DVP message on the second radio
(e.g. via shift F4 and pressing Esc before the message completed).
Needed to restart Win-Test to get everything working again. Probably
happened about 20 times during 36 hours operating. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2>2. Sometimes the outgoing DVP
messages would become chopped-up as if another process was getting CPU
time priority. Again - needed a restart. Happened about 10 times during
36 hours operating.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2>3. When running alternating CQs in
SO2R mode (using the default macro), when it came to answer a caller (so
using the microphone, not sending a DVP message) sometimes the PTT and
microphone line would be directed to the wrong radio. I think I cleared
this with a couple of presses of the * key and then sending a DVP
message. Only happened about 5 times, but I didn't use alternating CQs
very much (< 1 hour). </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2>4. I couldn't see how to configure
Latch mode. I only had 2 COM ports on the PC and those were being taken
up by the radios. I tried (briefly) configuring various other fake SO2R
controllers on one of those COM ports as a test, but still couldn't get
Latch mode to work. So my technique for working someone on the second
radio was a rather clunky, SHIFT-F4, *, enter callsign, send report, hit
enter, *.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2>Then I have three feature requests.
These fall into the category of - can we make Win-Test behave more like
TR Log - for which I apologise. I used TR for a long time and it
really does have a very slick SO2R interface - but equally, I'm happy to
be told that I'm just not using Win-Test right
though!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2>1. When in alternating CQ mode, as
soon as you start to enter a callsign, drop the CQ on the second radio
and return PTT and microphone to the radio where the caller is.
Currently Win-Test seems to wait until the end of the DVP message to do
this (or at least doesn't abort quickly enough with Esc) and I was left
with a lot of awkward pauses. </FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>I wrote the specs with F5MZN for SO2R in WT.</DIV>
<DIV>When you start typing something on the callsign field, the CQ is not
supposed to be dropped on the other radio as you ask.</DIV>
<DIV>The CQ must go on the other radio until you start transmitting (hit
INSERT ON CW) what you just typed. Only when you start transmitting the CQ
ahould be dropped.</DIV>
<DIV>This was the request and this is the way it should be to have the
maximum efficiency in SO2R Alternate Mode!</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2>2. Strangely, I find having to either
toggle CAPS LOCK on or off, or hold the SHIFT key down to enter a
callsign in the 2nd radio window awkward (especially when your fingers
are frozen!), and more so having to hit SHIFT-F11 to clear the window if
it's a dupe, or SHIFT-CTRL-ENTER to clear it and put it into the
bandmap. Is there any config which makes this as simple as TR's ALT-D,
enter Callsign, ENTER to do a DUPE check, MULT check, band map enter and
if not a dupe line up ready to call with just the SPACE bar.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Ther are two things here</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>1- is how to access the call sign fields of each radio</DIV>
<DIV>2- is how to act on calls that are on the callsign fields</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>The CAPS LOCK / SHIFT KEY is there because there is only one keyboard
(just like Alt-D on TR). With this functionality you can still type calls
on the two callsign fileds (radio1 or radio2 callsign fields) particularly
if you are using the SHIFT key.</DIV>
<DIV>NO SHIFT- what you type goes to primary radio</DIV>
<DIV>SHIFT ON - what you type goes to secondary radio. </DIV>
<DIV>With this way of doing things you can alternate calls on the two
fields very easily. I do this a lot when in intense SO2R.</DIV>
<DIV>WIth TR once you hit ALT-D you are locked into that field. To get out
of ALT-D you need to hit ESC. So if you are using WT, and Shift key, you
don't need to use the ESC key, one less key to push.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Now you have calls in the callsign fields of each radio.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>With TR you are locked in the ALT-D filed and you can only act on the
"secondary radio" hitting space to start transmitting.</DIV>
<DIV>With WT you have one more option. You can start transmitting on
primary radio (INSERT) or on secondary radio (SHIFT+INSERT)</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>In conlcusion, WT behaviour was designed to be one step ahead in this
functionality, in situations where more intense SO2R require full control
of both radios.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2>3. Aborting CQs with Esc isn't
instant - it takes a few hundred ms which means a few more lost
characters when you realise that someone was just starting to call you
as you hit F1 or the auto CQ went off. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2>Configuration was P4 1.6 GHz, 1 Gb
RAM, Win XP Pro SP2, Homebrew SO2R controller from LPT
port.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2>If anyone can shed any light on any
of these problems (do others see them as well), that would be really
helpful. I've made the switch to Win-Test now (reconfigured my SO2R
controller!) - just need to get it working 100%.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2>73,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV><FONT
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2>Andy,
G4PIQ</FONT></SPAN></DIV></FONT></DIV><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Support
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