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<DIV><FONT size=2>Hello Dave and others,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Your description is correct, I just would like to bring
bit more light to the problem because I'm not sure if everyone understand how
sound card works. It isn't hard but everyone during troubleshooting have to
realize this quite simple principle.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Each soundcard has two settings, called PLAYBACK and
RECORDING. Both this settings are for most cards independent and can be
controlled by application (Win-Test or any other program) but also manually from
Windows VOLUME CONTROL application. For demonstation of operation principle I
recommend to everyone to do simple test:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- connect headphones to the sound card output jack and connect
microphone to the sound card microphone jack.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- open VOLUME CONTROL application. Click Start | Run and type
SNDVOL32 if you cannot locate speaker icon at taskbar tray
area.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- click Options | Properties and as a mixer device select
soundcard you are using (neccessary only if you have more than one sound card
installed). Than select "Playback" and enable ALL controls to be displayed. Now
you can see all PLAYBACK controls.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- let the PLAYBACK VOLUME CONTROL running and open second
instance of VOLUME CONTROL. Arrange them on desktop to be both visible at
the same time. Later you can run logger and watch for interactions. In this
second instance of VOLUME CONTROL click Options | Properties and as a mixer
device select same soundcard. Than select "Recording" and enable ALL controls.
You can see all RECORDING controls.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Now you have on desktop two windows - PLAYBACK VOLUME
CONTROL and RECORDING VOLUME CONTROL. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- check if you have a "Microphone" channel at
PLAYBACK window. If not, I'm sorry, your sound card is not capable for
"live mic" function, you have to get better one. If yes, you are in the
business.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- Now UNMUTE all controls at PLAYBACK window. If you speak to
the microphone, you should hear your own voice in headphones. You can control
level by microphone slider or master volume slider. It is because sound card has
INTERNAL LOOPBACK from the microphone input to the sound card
output ENABLED. If you MUTE microphone control at PLAYBACK window,
loopback will be dissabled and you will hear nothing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>This function is used by loggers to mute
microphone loopback during macro (F1-Fx) message PLAYBACK to avoid mixing
of microphone with message. During playback microphone should
be muted, after whole message playback is done automatically unmuted, to
allow driving rig from microphone.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Please note, manipulating with microphone controls (slider or
select/mute box) at RECORDING window has NO effect. It is because you are NOT
recording. Recording controls are exclusivelly and only used when
program (Win-Test) recoding (Shift-Fx) message to WAV file. Than this
RECORDING microphone control MUST be selected (or unmuted on some cards). Only
exception can be some soundcards which has "coupled" sliders for recoding and
playback together (not very good card).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>While logger records message there is an option if microphone
signal will be present at the sound card output and if will drive the radio. It
depends if loggers MUTE or UNMUTE microphone control at PLAYBACK settings during
recording.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>So Win-Test switches MIC/NOMIC and MICWHENPLAY/NOMICWHENPLAY
should control only PLAYBACK microphone MUTE control. Maybe MICWHENREC and
NOMICWHENREC can be added (or replace useless MICWHENPLAY/NOMICWHENPLAY) because
has more value - "On Air- Recording". But it is only my personal
opinion, developers have to consider :-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Finally note for microKEYER users. Since microKEYER can switch
attached microphone to the sound card microphone input or to the radio
microphone jack (B,C or A settings) and sound card output can switch to the
radio front microphone jack (VOICE SSB/AM/FM modes - C) or to the radio rear
audio input jack (digital AFSK modes - B) there is neccessary to use proper
switching model. I personally prefer C-C-A settings for SSB which
allows me to utilize sound card internal loopback, recording messages as
well as connecting microphone directly to the radio (no thru sound card) when I
press footswitch.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>73 Jozef OM7ZZ</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=zephd@indy.rr.com href="mailto:zephd@indy.rr.com">Dave Zeph</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=support@win-test.com
href="mailto:support@win-test.com">support@win-test.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, 13 August, 2006 08:21</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [WT-support] Soundcard
Interfacing</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’m sorry for all the questions
about Interfacing Soundcards, but all of the postings the last several days
have been related. I know the folks who have the most experience with
Win-Test are in the WAE Contests this weekend. I thought it might be
best to list ALL of our questions in one place. The root issue is trying
to duplicate the functionality of the DVP Card.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have tried enabling the
Soundcard Interface on Win-Test running on my Dell Inspiron 8600 Laptop. The
Dell uses the SigmaTel Audio Chip. I have tried the Soundcard with a
small lapel microphone, a Heil Boom Mike, and a Logitech USB
Headset.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have been able to RECORD
Messages, and PLAYBACK recorded messages using SHIFT</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Wingdings size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">à</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">F1-F4 and
F1-F4. That’s not a problem.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">However as I read the Win-test
Documentation of the MIC, NOMIC, MICWHENPLAY, NOMICWHENPLAY commands, I
>>think<< these provide the following functionality when the
Microphone is connected to the Soundcard MIC IN. Please correct me if
I’m wrong.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">MIC
- Microphone Audio is passed from the Soundcard MIC INPUT to the Soundcard
LINE OUT when Win-Test is not playing back recorded messages. This is
equivalent to connecting the Microphone directly to the Transceiver Microphone
Input.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">NOMIC - Microphone Audio is NOT
Passed from the Soundcard MIC INPUT to the Soundcard LINE OUT. This is
equivalent to opening a switch between the microphone and the Transceiver
Microphone Input.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">MICWHENPLAY - The Microphone
Audio is passed from the Soundcard MIC INPUT to the Soundcard LINE OUT while
Win-Test is replaying a recorded message. The Microphone Audio and the
Recorded Message Audio are MIXED in the
Soundcard.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">NOMICWHENPLAY - The
Microphone Audio is NOT passed from the Soundcard MIC INPUT to the Soundcard
LINE OUT while Win-Test is replaying a recorded
message<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">My problems with these commands
are:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">1)<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">These commands don’t seem to do
anything on my Dell Laptop. I can record Messages from the Microphone,
but Audio from the Microphone Audio is NOT Passed from the Soundcard MIC INPUT
to the Soundcard LINE OUTPUT in response to ANY of these commands. The
only time the Microphone is “live” is during Recording of
Messages.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.25in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">2)<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If these commands work as I
outlined, then I don’t understand the need for the circuit shown in the
Win-Test QuickStart Guide. It shouldn’t be necessary to use any device
to switch the Transceiver Audio Input between the Microphone and the Soundcard
Line Output – since these two sources of Audio should be MIXED in the
Soundcard.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">3)<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The circuit in the Win-test
QuickStart Guide does not appear to provide any mechanism for RECORDING
Messages.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The DVP Card provides Audio to the
Transceiver while messages are being recorded. Recording is controlled
only by use of the SHIFT</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Wingdings size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">à</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">F1-F4 Keys
– no other External Toggle Switches or Hardware are required. The only
way Win-Test and the Soundcard would seem to duplicate this functionality is
if the MIC, NOMIC, MICWHENPLAY, NOMICWHENPLAY function as I
described.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">My confusion is because these
commands don’t seem to work as I would expect – and if they do work as
described, then the need for the QuickStart Guide circuit is
unclear.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">My final question is whether
Win-Test supports CT’s OPON Command. When
I try this in Win-Test, I get an “Error In Field” response. This isn’t a
“must have” feature, but it certainly would be
convenient.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I will really appreciate any help
in understanding how Win-Test works with a Soundcard. A lot of my time
in the next several weeks depends on a complete understanding of this
Interface.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks and 73 -</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Wingdings size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">à</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Dave,
W9ZRX<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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